Esben invited Professor Ove Kaj Pedersen to discuss his new book, "Staten" (The State). The conversation centers on key periods in Danish history, including Grevens fejde (The Count's Feud) and the Reformation. These historical events are examined as foundational to the development of modern Denmark. The discussion explores how these eras shaped the country’s democratic system, its unique “Danish model” of societal organization, and the establishment of its welfare state. The interview delves into the origins of contemporary Denmark and the factors that contributed to its current political and social landscape. The book offers insight into the long-term evolution of Denmark from its historical roots to its present form.